What exactly is the difference between a surge protector and a fuse? Can a fuse protect the electronic devices from lightning instead of surge protector?

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The MOV will conduct when the voltage exceeds 50% of line voltage.

Can the fuse protect the electronic devices from lightning instead of a surge protector.

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He then describes the function of a fuse.

“ … to protect building, lightning arrestor, is provided above building and directly connected to earth.”

the problem then depends on "how fast does the fuse operate?".

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These are simplified answers to the original question, and does not change anything I wrote above.

(Dc diagram shown, AC is similar).

P = e* I, so since I is 16 amps, then the voltage dropped is 1/16 volt or 0.0650 volts.

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This one hit behind the barn.

But during the surge, the fuse will not blow if it is a longer duration and lower value )10 to 50%).

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OK, this is Mohan Rajaratnam’s definition of a Surge suppressor.

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If the nominal power is 4,000 watts then the current at 230volts is 16 amps.

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This is an electronic circuit designed to clamp voltages so that the Voltage Potential that appears at the outlet is never going to exceed the nominal value.

“ A surge suppressor is the one which is connected at the input supply so that when there is a sudden change voltage it bypasses thereby protecting the (circuit) and electronic components”

(There is no concept of polarity, in the loop because the current changes direction 100 to 120 times a second (power frequency).

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Mohan forgets that a fuse is a one-time device, and needs to be replaced if it is tripped.

Lightning arrestor is a spark-gap device, and can be installed anywhere. What is important, is that the wire is thick enough to withstand the lightning bolt and conduct the energy away from the building.

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Here is a simplified AC power diagram.

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At the secondary, it is 1000 times less.)turns ratio). If it gets hit with a 100,000 volt bolt of lightning then the voltage arrestors conduct and clamp the voltage down to line voltage, ( but a small amount leaks down the line). This is the problem.

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This is a high voltage low current spike that comes down the line because of the power poles being struck, and the voltage suppressors activating on the primary side of the transformer.

He then asserts :

One is “what exactly is in a ‘surge protector’ ? ”

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For this case there are devices called Metal oxide varistors (MOV).

Now when you have a certain ac resistance, then a current flows in a loop.

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So, it’s possible that these devices from Trip Lite have addition suppression devices, these ones seem to be sturdy.

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He then describes Rainy Season and Lightning.

so, the loop of wire then, when put together with another loop reduces the ‘noise’ on a power line.

It also is a device that limits the change in current flow.

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Because the load is inductive, the current lags the voltage.(by a bit).

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This device then solves the entire problem.

A circuit breaker is similar, but is resettable.

These devices are installed between the “hot” and “neutral” and protective ground.

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But it can get overloaded, and no longer works.

The bolt then partially travels down the line to your home.

A fuse is a non-resetable over current circuit protector.

So combined with a device called a MOV or Metal-oxide-resistor, then forms the 3rd part of a “surge suppressor “.

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But… the neutral is now “floating” because of the 1 ohm resistance.

This is a photo where a lightning bolt took out a home's complete mains distribution box, and a lot of electronic gear as well.

Once the voltage goes over 0.0650 volts, then this fact can be used to amplify the difference, and turn the circuit breaker off , furthur down the line. Essentially that is what a RCD/GFCI does, it compares the incoming current, to the outgoing current, and if the difference between the two currents is over 5mA, then it trips the circuit breaker.

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so, what happens?

This is where the MOV conducts again, and dissipated the energy.

Fuses, on their own, then operate much slower than the MOV variable resistance, during the lightning strike.

The third is lightning and “how it gets conducted into a home.”

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The other is “what does a “fuse” do?”

There is no harm in having the surge suppressor along with the fuse in the circuit. The fuse will not open up until the current melts the link. This will take time, and in the interim, that jolt will get transmitted into the power supplies.

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but I think this circuit , shows a few more pieces.

At one ohm, the resistor has a maximum of 1 watt power.

So, the voltage could go up to 500 volts, and the fuse will not open up.

At least they know the answer if they wanted it.

An AC voltage/ current source, and an ac inductive load.

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What is lightning?

What does a fuse do?

There are two important concepts here.

Is the question then , "why buy a surge supressor, if the fuse alone protects the electronic circuits from a lightning bolt?".

There are three different concepts here that are getting confused.

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When the current is 200% of the rated value , it will “go open” (the link metal melts) and protect the device.

what exactly is a ‘surge’ protector?

but this device (an Inductor) … impedes the rapid changes in the current.

This is where this question deviates from being a 'generic' question, and becomes more specific.

In schematic diagrams this is the symbol for a fuse:

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And this is the problem alone. Is the power supply in the equipmemt designed with a lightning strike in mind? Some yes, others, no.

Would individual surge supressors have save this equipment? most likely, since the surge supressor would take the jolt instead of the electronic components.

“ A fuse is a device which protects the (circuit) against overload and short circuit.”

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